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All Habs Faceoff: Praise for Saku Koivu – Deserved or Hyped?

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All Habs Faceoff: Praise for Saku Koivu – Deserved or Hyped?

By theactivestick and Stevo, AllHabs.net

MONTREAL, QC.—This upcoming Saturday, January 22, ex-Canadien Saku Koivu and the Anaheim Ducks will be in Montreal to face the Canadiens.  Actually, to be correct, ex-Canadiens’ Saku Koivu, Max Lapierre, Kyle Chipchura and Paul Mara will be in town to face the Canadiens.

The focus however will be and already is on Saku Koivu, who will be making his first visit back to Montreal after signing as a free agent with the Ducks two summers ago.  He had played 13 seasons with Montreal, after being drafted by them in the first round, 21st overall in the 1993 NHL entry draft.

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Stevo:  I really don’t understand the hype surrounding Saku Koivu’s return to Montreal.  He was a member of the Montreal Canadiens from the time he was a rookie (95-96), and remained with the team until the end of the  2008-09 season.  Okay, he was with the team for 13 seasons, I understand that much, but exactly what kind of an impact did he have on the Canadiens over this period?

I tend to remember Saku as an over-priced first line center; one who was injured repeatedly over his time in Montreal; one who was only able to lead the Canadiens past the first round of the playoffs twice, over his thirteen seasons with the team.

As a captain and a leader, it is a duty to be one that brings players together.  Throughout his stay in Montreal, it was apparent to me that he created divisions in the room.  Divisions that might have eventually lead to the departure of certain players.

Laura, can you tell me what this Saku hype is all about?

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Laura:  I don’t think Saku is hyped up at all – in fact I believe he deserves a lot more praise than he has been given.

For one thing, I don’t remember him as an oft-injured, over-priced first line centre. I instead remember him as the only guy on the team to give a 100% effort for every second of every shift of every game he played, every year he was here.

I remember him not as a guy who didn’t lead his team far into the postseason, but instead as a player who was able to lead the slimmest pickings the NHL could offer into the postseason at all. When Richard Zednik is your best player, I think it’s safe to say your roster isn’t going to do much. Saku made them do more. Many times.

And yes, he did get injured sometimes over his long Montreal Canadiens career. I think his leadership is evident in that all his teams seemed to play worse when he was out of the lineup, and get a huge spark whenever he returned. Saku will always be the guy that put on the Kevlar boot so he could come back and help his team in the playoffs even though he had a broken foot.

As for the divisions in the locker room, without recordings of what took place, we will never know what the relationships between the players were like. However, I would find it very hard to believe that he would be the cause or abettor of any dressing room divisions.

One area where Saku’s contribution is better recognized, but sometimes overlooked nonetheless, is his leadership in the community. Like many players, Saku donated to charity. Unlike most, however, he threw himself wholeheartedly into his charitable causes. He ensured that hospitals he had been treated in obtained much-needed equipment, he always made time to benefit those less fortunate or affected by illness, and was known for being generous and hard-working when it came to charities.

Have I changed your mind yet, Stevo?

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Stevo:  Not exactly, but I think I better understand your positioning on this, let me explain.

Before I do, I don’t exactly agree that Saku Koivu was never well surrounded, and that the best player he played with was Richard Zednick.  It was obviously Darcy Tucker.  More seriously, although I might agree he didn’t have many assets to surround him in his latter years, he had some early on.  Vincent Damphousse and Martin Rucinsky are names that quickly come to mind.  He also played with Andrei Markov for about six years before he left for Anaheim.  That said, they never exactly formed great teams, I’ll grant you that.

In regards to the divisions in the dressing room, I do agree that both you and I were not there, and it’s not always easy knowing who to believe and not believe when rumours and speculations pour out.  For that reason, I’ll stand down on this one.

If we look at the numbers, over his 13 seasons in Montreal, he played 792 of 1066 scheduled games, meaning he on average played a little less then three of every four games.  If you don’t take into account the almost entire season he missed due to his health, it averages out to about four of every five games.  Clearly, even without taking into account the season missed, we can see he’s been a little injury prone over his career.

For eight of the thirteen season he played in Montreal, he dressed less than 70 games, four of those were of less than 60.

That being said, his overall point production, I will give him that.  Over his 792 games, he produced 641 points, for an average of 0.81 goals per game.  However, if you break it down into seasons, you come to realize that only three times did he surpass the 60 point mark.  That means that for ten seasons, he had less than 60 points, for five of those, he had less than 50.

In my opinion, these numbers do not support the 3-year, $4.75M per year contract he was awarded before the 06-07 season.

Where I believe I understand you is that we are not judging him for the same reasons.  I am judging him on his hockey results alone.  You are judging him not on his results, but on his effort and work in the community, amongst other things.

This is where I need to clarify something which might not have been clear to begin with.

I don’t hate or dislike Saku Koivu.  Although I have opinions and feelings about him as a hockey player which I’ve clearly expressed, I do recognize that he put was a player with tremendous heart, and if he was not battling health issues or injuries, I agree he was one to give 110% more often than not.

I also recognize the unbelievable battle he overcame with cancer, and I have no problem admitting that I watched his return to the Canadiens with tears in my eyes, as fans stood and cheered for eight minutes straight.  One of those events that I will remember forever.

All of this said, Laura, my question to you is this.  Would I be correct in saying that a large portion of the Montreal Canadiens fan base, “fell in love” with Saku Koivu, the person, the one who went to hell and back, the one who became an inspiration to many, and not necessarily the hockey player that was on the ice?

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Laura:  I wouldn’t say you are wrong, but I wouldn’t say you are right either. I would say that part of the reason the fan base loves him is because of the person he is, but this is Montreal, and if there’s one thing we know, it’s hockey. If there is one thing we have been obsessed with to the detriment of our careers, marriages, and children’s futures, it’s hockey. If Saku Koivu was anything less than an excellent player, we would have loved him that much less.

I will concede that he may be seen as injury-prone, but my point was, that is not what defines his career. For example. Rick DiPietro of the New York Islanders may be an amazing goaltender, but we will never really know this because he is what I would call injury-prone. When I think of Koivu, his injuries are not the first, second, or even seventeenth thing that come to mind.

I want to point out, as well, that many of Saku’s injuries were a direct result of his playing bigger and tougher than his size. All good athletes can elevate their game, the best athletes risk injuries to become warriors. There are quite a few seasons once he was named captain, where Koivu led the team in scoring. He may not have cracked 60 points during some of those seasons, but was leading the team with only 47. When your scoring leader only has 47 points, chances are there’s nobody there to pass him the puck, or for him to pass the puck to.

The fact of the matter is one player cannot score 80, 90, 100 points if the rest of his team is terrible. Jon Tavares, an elite player with great potential, appears to be learning this in Long Island. You need adequate teammates and linemates in order for you to play to your potential. I don’t doubt for a second that Phil Kessel has the ability to score 40-50 goals a year, but take a look at the team and linemates he’s currently playing with. Where would Vinny Lecavalier and Marty St. Louis be without each other? Look at Martin Brodeur’s current season and the team in front of him.

As for the playoffs, guys like Vincent Damphousse and Mark Recchi were no longer with the Habs when Saku was their captain. Martin Rucinsky only cracked 50 points before Koivu was named the Canadiens captain. For fun, I just looked up the 1999/2000/2001 Canadiens rosters and had to stop because it was breaking my heart. Slim, slim pickings.

And just for fun: remember that time in the 2002 playoffs, when the Koivu-led Habs skated circles around the Joe Thornton-led Boston Bruins, who were perceived to the better team (friendly reminder brought to us from All Habs friend Kyle Roussel)? Or when they met two years later and the same thing happened?

Saku’s price tag with the Habs appears to be steep to you now. At the time he was given his contract, however, he had yet to begin to show signs of age. He was the best player not named Markov on the Canadiens. He had a lot of responsibilities as the face of the Habs, and given that he had had two 70+ point seasons just before, the price tag was not so steep at the time.

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Stevo:  Clearly, there are certain points we don’t agree on, but at the same time, we are in agreement on other points.

In my opinion, Saku Koivu does not go down as one of the great hockey players that played for the Montreal Canadiens organization.  I think he was a good player, not a great player.

I do however greatly respect the man that he is, he’s been through a lot in his life, and I have only respect for him in that regards.

For that reason, along with you, and many Habs fans, I will salute him on Saturday night, maybe not for all the exact same reasons as everyone else, but with the same level of respect.

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Born and raised in the Montreal area, Steve is an Associate Editor and Senior Writer at All Habs. Steve started playing hockey at the age of four, played as a goaltender as high as Junior AAA and was drafted to the QMJHL. When he isn’t writing about the Canadiens or twiddling with HTML code on the website, you can usually find him sharing his sarcasm on Twitter where he enjoys the never-ending hockey arguments. Steve also works as an analyst for Rogers Communications and enjoys the fact that his downtown office is only a five-minute walk from the Bell Centre. On the personal side; Animal Planet, poutine, the colour blue, the word ‘weaponized’ and Pepsi are just a few of Steve’s favourite things.

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  1. Saku will always be my favorite captain no matter who steps in. He was not a goon or a fighter he was a player. He made a huge recovery and return to hockey after battling cancer, he returned to claim the C. I think it is a big deal that he’s returning to mtl I bet he’ll get a standing ovation. Why should anyone take that away from him? I was so upset when he left mtl but I don’t think he should have his “moment” taken away. I STILL wear my koivu jersey proudly

  2. Every team will defend their captain, but all the boys attacked when someone touched koivu…that’s earned respect by a true leader and ambassador

  3. I honestly think its deserved because he was a captain for 10 years during possibly the toughest times for The Habs. Also going through cancer and surviving and coming back to the game he loves, not many hockey players can go through that. Plus him leaving Montreal was not his choice, it was our silly GM at the time. If any boos will happen tomorrow night, it would be for Lapierre. Cheers will be for Koivu, and Koivu only.

  4. One has to bear in mind that Koivu played on some of the worst teams in Canadiens’ history. He played with goaltenders like Jocelyn Thibault, Jose Theodore and Cristobal Huet. Not the greatest goaltenders, by any stretch.

    Koivu lead by example, not with his words. His work ethic was never questionable. His demeanor unchanged by media scrutiny. He wore the CH that eclipsed his heart with pride. He gave everything he could possibly give, on and off the ice.

    The everlasting image in my mind that exemplifies Koivu as a player and a man was in his first game back from his battle with cancer, when he scored the game winning goal against the Boston Bruins. In that single moment, you saw the true appeciation this city had for the man nicknamed “Captain Courage”. The ovation from the fans on that goal nearly lifted the roof of the Bell Centre. It’s a true moment that will forever define what it means to be a Canadiens’ fan!

  5. It’s funny to see this discussion above… Stevo you said that, he was not great player, but you can’t tell me better player, who played for MTL in last 15 years, than Koivu – that’s just fact. He was the best in every season, so not giving him respect for this is really not fair. If Canadiens are the the best NHL organization, as they say (and history showed it), why they had no better player after Roy in lineup (if you do not count Koivu). btw the only other “good” players who played in MTL were Russians (Kovalev, Markov) and Zednik is Slovak… so very poor result for Canadian players in 15 years, don’t you think? :)

    If you’re still not sure if Koivu is a GREAT player, just look at his national appearances (for Suomi) – I think that would be clear…

  6. Koivu exemplifies all the qualities a Captain should have, and I am thankful he is now on my favorite team, it was definitely our gain. He is not our captain, but he should be, as soon as our young captain was out with injury, play picked up all around under the leadership of Koivu, and Selanne. These two raised the game of our whole team, and we started winning again..good luck tonight, and stand and cheer your captain courage for me.

  7. Saku Koivu is so much more than the numbers he posted as a Hab. He’s the very definition of character, determination and heart. As Montrealers, we love it when a player embraces the community, and no Canadien since Beliveau embraced the community like Koivu did.

    We also loved his humility, which was on display yesterday when he emphatically stated that his number 11 does not belong in the rafters with those other names. It is ironic that that same humility will be one of the reasons why his number is retired, if that’s what the future holds.

    People want to confuse the issue by comparing Koivu to the standard of excellence set by the retired numbers of the players hanging from the rafters. That’s an impossible task. Those players had each other (and a littany of others) to rely on. Koivu had nothing close. This is a failing that should be laid at the feet of Habs management, not Koivu. For a short time Koivu had Mark Recchi in his prime, and a streaky Brian Savage. He also found some success with Zednik, and at times with Kovalev.

    It’s too easy to dismiss Koivu’s importance and relevance to the Canadiens and the fans by saying that “he” never got them beyond the second round, or that “he” never won anything. Hockey is a team game, and although the captain sets the tone the “C” doesn’t mean that its his job to put the team on his back…which he did anyway for a long, long time.

  8. Ashley said “He made a huge recovery and return to hockey after battling cancer,…”

    Jason said “Also going through cancer and surviving and coming back to the game he loves, not many hockey players can go through that.”

    CoachK said “The everlasting image in my mind that exemplifies Koivu as a player and a man was in his first game back from his battle with cancer, when he scored the game winning goal against the Boston Bruins. In that single moment, you saw the true appeciation this city had for the man nicknamed “Captain Courage”.”

    Kyle said “Saku Koivu is so much more than the numbers he posted as a Hab. He’s the very definition of character, determination and heart. As Montrealers, we love it when a player embraces the community, and no Canadien since Beliveau embraced the community like Koivu did.”

    I wanted to highlight these comments to support where I’m coming. Don’t get me wrong, I better understand today the love that many fans have for Saku Koivu, but I still feel that much of this love is for the person that he is, and not the player that he was.

    I do not deny his work ethic, courage and determination, but my feelings are unchanged with regards to “on ice”, where I feel that for as long as he was a member of the Canadiens, he was a good player, at times a very good player, but in my book, he doesn’t go down as one of the “great” players that played for the organization.

    I also do understand that good vs great can be very subjective. What exactly defines a “great” player? We could argue forever on this point.

    So onto Filip :)
    First of all, you say that it’s not fair I do not give him any respect, yet I would like to point out that that my second to last sentence in the article says,

    “I do however greatly respect the man that he is, he’s been through a lot in his life, and I have only respect for him in that regards.”

    You say he was the best every season, I guess that depends on what you believe defines the “best player”. Being first line center, he definitely was in a position to pick up more points then let’s say, second/third/fourth line players, but he did not lead the team in points in every season he played.

    All of this said, I wouldn’t want anyone to think that i believe he “sucks”, that’s not the case. I just believe that generally, he is seen as a much bigger player then he was, because of the incredible off ice accomplishments he achieved.

    On the respect factor, I only have tonnes for him.

    I will salute him, i will lift my glass to him, but I will be cheering for the Habs tonight, not Saku Koivu.

    Go Habs Go! :)

    Thank you all for your comments, when we wrote up this article, I knew what I was getting into! haha :)

  9. Well Stevo – I agree with you.

    I was never a fan of Koivu – found him to be over-rated as a player. Yes, he did not have the supporting cast necessary to do great things on the ice and he did what he felt was necessary for the team.

    Te thing that he will be remembered for I believe is his coming back from cancer…others have done it as well in hockey but not so publicly. That is his defining moment in habs lore –

    That being said – I think he is a great humanitarian and did some wonderful things for the community.

    I think the celebrations in Montreal for him and his career should be left until after he retires.

    • Even if people are more in love with the man than with the player, as you seem to think, Stevo, what’s wrong with that?

      Let’s remember that the last time Koivu appeared in Montreal, it was for the 4th game of a sweep at the hands of the Bruins. The fans never got a chance to say him a proper goodbye, and to show him their appreciation for his tenure in Montreal. So I think the hype is definitely deserved.

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